5 inches down if you want alittle toe room. I bought these, newer technology, for use with my previous TV. jordan v red suede I keep washing them, but it only helps for a couple of days. 5 since thats what fits me in Crocs; what I got were labeled Medium / European 44. jordan v red suede 5mm by default, whichis what most people use. jordan v red suede Ive been using a JBL Flip 2 for the past couple of years so I felt confident in the brand. Potholders are heavy enough to use, towels are a bit flimsy. Both were comfortable, but I preferred the non-shiny version. jordan v red suede My sports bra and the straps on these leave a gap so there is skin/fat trying to peek out in between and around. That always ends up under my heel and after a while it hurts (seriously, why is that stupid thing so common?)I cannot think of anything negative about them.
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